i do not think either harry reid nor john boehner know how it will come out, much less mitt romney or barack obama. i am not going to pretend, other than it is going to be an all- consuming mass, which i do not think the public is ready for or has any idea is coming. i think no matter who wins the election, what happens between now and the end of the year is going to be very traumatic for the country. >> let me refined this and maybe do fred first, and then glen. sometimes, and doing some things to entitlements -- sometimes, at doing things to implements and domestic spending, it is "inevitable-- pretty inevitable. those are things a democrat will have to deal with. what are the political consequences? and on the republican side, there has to be more revenue, and defense is going to take a hit. that is going to be ugly medicine for republicans. fred, if you were sitting down with harry reid and nancy pelosi, or glen, if you were sitting down with mitch mcconnell or eric cantor, and they are about to go in the room and get a lot of blood on their hands, and the ankle deep in blood -- a